Info via an archaeologist friend: while these caves are "said to be used by the Knights Templar", they probably date from the late 18th century at the earliest and have nothing to do with the medieval order.
https://historicengland.org.uk/listing/the-list/list-entry/1...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caynton_Caves
> One suggestion is that they were the result of quarrying during the 19th century, and were then turned by the landowners, the Legge family, into a grotto. It is alternatively speculated that the caverns are older, perhaps dating back at least to the 17th century, and some have associated them with the Knights Templar.
> The caverns are located beneath privately-owned woodland. Since at least the 1980s, they have sometimes been used for informal secret ceremonies and rituals, and vandalised, and were closed to the public in 2012 as a result. Later reopened, they were accessed by a photographer in 2017, and received widespread publicity.
An interesting observation from the photos is that you can see evidence of light vandalization (mostly "names" carved into the rock). This implies these caves are part of some hyper local knowledge (at least as a party room for teenagers).
- I wonder what the oldest vandalization is?
- Could it be that there are many others in the area, which is why this hasn't been formally discovered before? How many times has it been "rediscovered" in the last 700 years?
- Is it actually a rabbit hole (as in: a hole used by rabbits) or just a "door"? Seems likely that it "looks" like a rabbit hole, but is actually a (perhaps maintained) door into the cave.
How strange to see this atop Hacker News! I used to live in the nearby city and have been to these caves many times since being shown them around 2014 (I'm not sure why they're saying it was sealed up - it has been perfectly accessible via the 'rabbit hole' in the picture since that time at least, if you didn't mind a few spiders!).
I would conjecture that very few locals know about it - it really isn't something you'd find unless you knew what you were looking for and the few conversations I have had about it with people in the surrounding towns and villages frequently yield blank looks; the creation of a Wikipedia page for the caves only yesterday [1] also supports this hypothesis. That said, the inside is littered with cigarette butts and tea lights, so I am far from alone in knowing of its existence.
As for its purpose, I've always assumed it was some priest hole [2] variant, but have no evidence to support that.
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Caynton_Caves&act...
Hey by the way, you know Andrew Carnegie? Your Hall, and Universities, and public libraries? He was a very rich man back in the day, Rockerfeller would send him cardboard vests as an insult to his meagre past as a gift, and Andrew would send back bottles of whiskey to equal the insult (he was T-Total). He purchased "The Glen", an area of Land to be used by the public and gifted to his home town.
As a child, my friend and I used to hang around there all the time, we followed "The Burn" which is just a small stream really which is many hundreds of miles long. However we followed it for a long long time, and in the way of the stream, there is a cave, you need to go underground to get to it, and when you get there you need to enter a small collapsed column of stone, and then go back up.
In there is a cave and if you crawl through, you end up going back down again to end up in a cave which is very much like this image. At the front of the cave is a stone Altar and what appears to be a V shape carving that would hold a small book. There are carvings in the walls to hold what I guess are candles.
Anyway, it is our secret, and to this day, based on our observations over time, our intended collapse of the entrance remains in place, and even the outer rocks have caved in beside it.
I know that what my friend I found is of huge historic significance to the local area, almost certainly related to the St Margaret era and yet, knowing something is there like that, and knowing no one else knows is amazing.
I personally keep a 4x doze of Heroin accessible should life ever be grim, or should I ever be a burden, and that is where I plan to go to take the last train west. By the time someone else finds this, the skeleton will baffle them. (I might collapse hugging the altar just to fuck with them a while, o appear on a "Creepy" subreddit well into the future)
It looks like the archway is filled with holes for candles. Lighting for meetings could not have been as trivial a task as it was for the researchers, who seem to have been able to toss down some cheap super bright LEDs(?).
An hour of good lighting in a subterranean cave in those days must have cost a fortune. (Per Jane Brox, anyway...)
https://www.amazon.com/Brilliant-Evolution-Artificial-Jane-B...
The reference to a rabbit hole makes no sense unless it's symbolic, since rabbits holes are about the size of a rabbit.
Video walking through the cave on Youtube is worth watching. https://youtu.be/maDTJsGgmD0
Be interesting to know more about the land owner, the title made it seem like they 'found' the entrance but the article implies the owner always knew about it
It's a metaphor folks..
Rabbit hole leads to 700-year-old Knights Templar cave
There are a shocking number of low-effort reddit-like replies here. Can we please not turn Hacker News into yet another blackhole of "joke" replies?
RUN AWAY. RUN AWAY
No, no... I recognize that. That is where the Nac Mac Feegles live.
Looks like the Knights Templar ripped off Morrowind. The architecture is nearly identical. Sad!
that farmer chose ... wisely
We've all been there
Likely the Killer Rabbit of Caerbannog
What are those candles made of? 700 years and still going. Unless of course that is an anachronism designed to make the cave look more mystical.
Title is Wrong. There is no consensus that this cave dates 700 years nor actually a Knights Templar Cave.
Is anyone going to say it? "That rabbit's dynamite!"
And after publicizing the name and blasting the location onto the internet, the unique archeological site will be vandalized profusely and destroyed in no time at all in the name of selfies and social media points. At best, visitor access will be limited or prevented entirely.
They should have waited till April first to publish this, so people would think its a Monty Python reference :p
I thought there was only one Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch. How did they get past the rabbit?
No, no... I recognize that. That is where the Nac Mac Feegles live.
Dan Browns reaction upon hearing the news:
Not a discovery. Not a rabbit hole. I grew up 2 miles from the caves/temple and went down the hole pictured many times. There's existing stuff about them online if you Google - not sure why the media is depicting this as a discovery - it's not!
Not sure if the Templar stuff is correct or not - I've seen nothing to corroborate this. Having been in the temple - it certainly seems very old.
The entrance is a hole carved out of the sandstone that you have to squeeze down into - it may look like a rabbit hole but it's not.
Lots of local kids & others know about it and use it as a place to hang out and drink and I'm pretty sure it's used for some sort of New Age rituals judging by the number of candles and detritus that are sometimes in there.
It's a hard place to find if you don't know about it. On private land - completely hidden and it's never really been publicised... until now.