Ask HN: Why is ChatGPT allowed to scrape other sites via prompts?

  • Google scrapes like a maniac. And for profit. Many others do the same.

    A website can put up a TOS prohibiting such use, but my understanding is that is essentially unenforceable if the site is publicly accessible.

    The recent Meta v Bright Data case highlights how extreme it can get without being technically illegal. https://techcrunch.com/2024/02/26/meta-drops-lawsuit-against...

    If you’re trying to prevent scraping of your data, your best option is to not make it public.

  • If you can paste the URL in a browser and copy paste the next, why is it bad that a third-party agent can do the same? It's no different than a remotely-hosted browser you control via natural language, or asking a human assistant to do it and email you the result.

  • I've encountered a couple of robots.txt that specifically block popular llms for certain areas. Example:

    https://www.sigmaaldrich.com/robots.txt

  • My understanding is scraping public sites is legal. It's no different from a search engine crawling your site.

  • You can opt out.

    https://platform.openai.com/docs/gptbot

  • Scraping and violating TOS are not illegal to do, but they can get you blocked.

  • I believe this is current precedent around scraping:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HiQ_Labs_v._LinkedIn

  • Terms of service enforcement is a matter of civil law.

    Your legal wherewithal relative to those who abuse them is what gives your terms of service teeth. Or leaves you toothless.

  • Preventing scraping also entrenches google for eternity.

  • The web agent's system prompt is simply informed that Scarlett Johansson's voice is at the URL it's about to visit.

  • Why? It's another user agent. Curl does the same thing, as does chrome and firefox

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