Ask HN: Are LLMs a net environmental positive, deserving of green tech status?

  • > Am I missing something here?

    Perhaps that the base environmental cost of a living human being is incurred no matter what they're doing. Replacing them with LLMs is just adding a new cost on top of the existing one. It is not removing the cost of the human.

  • >could LLMs actually be a net positive for the environment?

    They produce a tremendous amount of heat in usage and at power generation. In most circumstances are powered by fossil fuels. I cant see how this would ever be justified.

    >Should it earn all the benefits that come with ESG status?

    Not a chance. AI is literally an antithesis to climate folks and ESG.

    The ESG/climate folks should be opposing AI as much as possible.

  • What? AI is horrific for the environment from the embedded energy from the production necessary for the hardware and the energy required to train & run the LLMs. They use an insane amount of water and the resulting emissions are that of small countries.

    Not only that, your argument depends on the saved emissions/energy consumption from laying off someone. Which is first and foremost just dark - but also how do you know that the laid off SWE isn't 10x more energy intensive when they're at home? Driving a lot, flying a lot, has a Ford F350, 5 kids and now runs AC all day while they're home?